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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:29 pm 
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I've decided to leave the club for personal reasons. I don’t wish anyone ill will and all the best in the future.

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 Post subject: Re: Final Thoughts & Farewell
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:06 pm 
I am utterly speechless, Peter. I have always expressed dislike of you as a member, officer, and person. I nominated Tim for president this year and I'm damn glad I did. I'm also incredibly glad that everyone else managed to vote you out of office.

Take your leave. I'm sure I speak for EVERYONE in the club when I say it is MORE than wanted by all of us. You ruined the club. Not any of us, and certainly not Molly. No one-- I repeat, no one-- would believe that SHE is the one at fault here. Maybe you forgot that everyone shows hostility toward you, since you haven't even been to a meeting in months.

I welcome Tim back as president with open arms and then some. Really, you think the club will "go bankrupt"? What do you think YOU were doing to it? You wanted to kill the club off months ago. You are also the selfish one, not Molly. Why on earth would she be selfish? Because she wanted the club to thrive? Because she wanted a place for her and her friends to meet and hang out? How absolutely AWFUL of her. How dare she not be a greedy, capitalist like you, Peter!

Again, I say. Farewell. We will not miss you at all. I wish the best for Amber, however. I hope to God that she realizes what an *** you are and divorces you.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:20 am 
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I would like to suggest now that every one take a deep breath, back away from the keyboards and count to 10.

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 Post subject: Re: Final Thoughts & Farewell
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:00 pm 
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I've been thinking about this most of the night and I have finally decided what I wanted to say.

See, what I don't understand is why people hold only Peter responsible... for just about everything. I too was missing from the majority of these meetings and was also an Officer. How is Peter's leave of absence any different from mine? I mean, we're both away, we're both club leaders, and now we're both leaving in opposition, yet Peter is the only 'evil' one in these events. It perplexes me to no end, honestly.

But, I can say, with no hesitation, that Peter's intentions were never to kill the club. In fact, the meeting that stopped meetings, he was not even there. So how is it fair to blame just Peter? Unfortunately, like Peter, I have been away on business too. And I love how bettering ourselves and providing for our family and whatever our family be in the future, is a bad thing. Just because we don't work for someone else, makes us selfish and uncaring. But in reality, by starting our own business, we will be bringing potential jobs to the Milwaukee area in the near future. We will be providing a safe place for Milwaukee's teenagers to hangout and stay out of trouble. And, we will be bringing an arcade and anime store to Milwaukee, which Milwaukee severely needs. So, I just roll my eyes when people think what we're doing is purely for our own selfish benefit. Sure, we'd like to provide a financially stable household for our future family while not having to work under the thumb of someone who's getting paid more to manage how we do our job. But we're also doing it because we're fans of anime and gaming and we want to share the joys that brought us together with other people. If that's what you consider selfish, well, I guess so be it. Because THAT is the reason we have not been around at VOA. Not because we're sitting at home picking our butts, but because we easily put 40+ hours into our job in one weekend.

But I'd also like to ask, does everyone forget, that the Vice President is supposed to take care of things when the President isn't around? While Peter and I were off WORKING, how long did it take before Jesse or Tim got a meeting location? How about the lack of our nonprofit status is because it was incorrectly filed while Tim was President? Without that nonprofit status, we've completely ruled out ever going back to the WMCC, because they wanted a ridiculous amount of money for a meeting. But I'm sure we haven't just ruled out the WMCC. We've probably ruled out several community centers that would probably work a lot better for the club needs than the last few locations VOA has met at. So before you point the blame, there were other officers still in the area, fully capable of taking care of club business. But let's add insult to injury and let it be known, that through all the traveling and heavy workload, Peter still set time aside to push the other officers to get stuff done in the club when he could not. He had contact will all the officers and even still sent out 1 or 2 of the club emails when he wasn't even going to BE at the meeting! A lack of dedication? I think not. Peter put his heart into making this club better, but obviously it wasn't enough. Running the club by himself was never enough for anyone. And honestly, that's how it felt. Just how many times does a guy have to nudge someone through email before it gets done? How many nights does a guy have to stay up until the early morning to get things ready for the meetings, because no one else will do it? Just how many new members need to sign up before people realize that Peter was good for the club?

Sam, I hate to say it, but for someone who is so smart academically, you've proven that you are still quite naive to the world. Things aren't black and white. And I can say, before I left the meeting last night, I KNOW you don't speak for everyone. Because other people VOICED that they DON'T feel the same way you do. In fact, I've had at least one member and a few guests say they won't be showing up anymore because Peter and I won't be coming back. I had at least 3 people at the meeting upset that we were leaving and even suggested we start our own club. So, NO Sam, you DON'T speak for the membership. You are just one person who happens to be under the wing of Molly. And boy, you say one day you hope I realize what as jerk Peter is and I divorce him, well I hope you take those rose colored glasses off and see Molly for who she truly is. Because the way she spoke to Peter, is NOT how a friend talks to one another. And hopefully you'll eventually see the radical point of view Molly has on life and realize, it's not a healthy perspective of the world. And the Gods help you if you ever cross Molly. Maybe then, you'll realize that Peter is not the evil one, but in fact was clearly attacked by this woman.

And for those of you who don't feel the club is a business, then yes, I agree. Rip up the constitution, do away with officers, and just be a group of friends who hang out together. Because obviously what Peter has brought to the Club was a TERRIBLE thing. A projector and screen, a LCD tv, a variety of snacks, a pizza oven... Oh yes, what TERRIBLE attributes to the club. You might as well just throw those things away. And in fact, you might as well just throw all the money Peter helped accumulate from these attributes away, as well. Because money is EVIL and why would a club of friends need it?

So in closing, I'd really like to say, if you really think Peter is evil, then you truly don't know him. He is a smart, honest man, who wanted nothing more for this club than for it to be the most successful and largest in Milwaukee. He's hard working, a brilliant business man, and I'm so glad I married him. He may seem like an 'ASS' at times to some, but really, who doesn't come off as an 'Ass' at one point or another? I hope people can take a step back and realize this. Because we are only human, and that's the truth.


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 Post subject: Re: Final Thoughts & Farewell
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:37 pm 
Peter and Amber are great people. It's a shame VOA lost you two. I hope I see you two at future cons. Lovr and God Bless.

Molly, I'll definitely be seeing you at future cons so I can have you blacklisted.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:23 pm 
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I really don't know what to say right now. I just came in to VOA yesterday looking forward to having a good time, and then all of a sudden I'm saying good bye to Amber, who says that she isn't coming back. What the hell is going on. It seems that there is drama everywhere I go. I'm just sick and tired of all this.

The thing is, I have seen all of this before. Two years ago this same exact situation befell the amine club in whitewater, and nearly destroyed it. There was a conflict between our officers. Within them, there was a group of three girls who were a bit negligent their duties. There was also our cultural officer, formerly the president, who was very overbearing on the three and occasionally did their work for them. Eventually, the three got sick of it and kicked the one out. First from the club, then from their apartment. The three later abandoned the club and I chose to take the presidency in order to keep it alive. In the time there after, I have struggled to clean up the mess they made while at the same time dealing with officers who either prove unreliable or just don't care at all. So I think i can say with some confidence that I know what Peter is going through.

That being said, I can not approve of the things you've said Peter. You have done so much for for this club that your efforts may never be equaled. But while it may be possible that you are the victim in all this, that does NOT give you the right to insult people in such a manner. Even if what you say is true, this kind of behavior puts you in just as much fault as those you seek to discredit. The officer who was deposed in my club was a great leader and knew what the club needed to be great. But the fact remains that she is the most bitter, stubborn, overbearing, hostile, and obnoxious **** that I have ever met in my entire life. While the three may have caused me a great deal of inconvenience, they were nothing compared to the one who would constantly scold me, criticize my ideas and efforts, and inadvertently insult me to my face. And she probably still wonders why i don't call her any more.

It is not my wish to equate this person to you Peter, but to prove that being the victim does give you the right to treat others like dirt. I feel that things that you have said in your post are completely unjustified, and may serve to drive a wedge into this organization. Whether your statements are true or not, the fact remains that you have insulted several people whom I have come to respect, accused a good friend of mine of extorting money, and belittled my attempts to contribute something to the Club. Your words have served to confuse, hurt, and infuriate me. Yet, despite all of this, I still want to be your friend. I want to be able to visit with you at cons and give your store patronage, and then later go see Nick and Molly and do them the same courtesy. More importantly, I want to help VoA. I want it to be a great place where people can come and be themselves, while at the same time maintaining the efficiency and organization that you instilled. I want all of our members to work to improve upon the success to which you contributed so much. To show you that we are capable, and that your work was not in vain. Finally, I want you and everyone reading to know that no good will ever come from bitterness. The human race will not survive long if all of our energy is expended in petty squabbles. I, for one, refuse to let it continue.

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 Post subject: Re: Final Thoughts & Farewell
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:03 pm 
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RyzenXia wrote:
Peter and Amber are great people. It's a shame VOA lost you two. I hope I see you two at future cons. Lovr and God Bless.

Molly, I'll definitely be seeing you at future cons so I can have you blacklisted.


Ryzen, I think you'r a great guy and I respect you. But this is a private VoA matter, and should remain as such. Any outside repercussions, instilled by either party, would be completely unethical. Personal, I think any grudges that anyone my have should be nipped in the bud as soon as possible. There is no reason to make this any uglier than it already is. Also, before anyone evokes anything that Molly may have done, let me remind you all that two UNethicals don't make an Ethical. Ryzen, if you want to debate this further then Private message me or find me on facebook, I've been meaning to contact you anyway.


P.S. Molly won't be able to see your post, she has been temporarily banned from the forums.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:07 pm 
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P.S. Molly won't be able to see your post, she has been temporarily banned from the forums.


Pat, this section of the forums is actually open to anyone to view and post. Even guests can post in it (unregistered users). Also, Molly's ban was only for 30 days and will be ending very soon.

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I was referring to his blacklist suggestion. No one should be starting any blood feuds over this.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:03 pm 
I'm sorry to hear what's happened guys and I hope your future ventures will go smoothly, I'm sure I'll be making many a purchase at your booth at any con I see you at. Miss you guys. =/


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I just wanted to make a post thanking everyone so far for their comments, both in support and with sharing their opinions on the matter. Amber and I have been reading them all and we both hope that something good will come out from all this junk.

Once again, thank you for the supportive posts and private messages of support.

But let's hopefully be able to move forward from this. Maybe learn something from past mistakes and misunderstandings. There are some talented people still in this club who could keep it alive and well.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:13 pm 
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I agree with Pat on almost everything! I'm really, really sad that this has happened, and even though Peter and Molly both said and did some mean things (I've seen that both can be pretty bullheaded), I hope that they can be friends and not be too proud to be the bigger person and apoligize! Really, the fuel of the issue was pride and hurt feelings on both sides, when the misunderstanding could've been figured out in a day. Who cares about the past few weeks, when there has been many more years of happiness and friendship.

Even though I haven't been a part of VOA for very long, I appreciate what Peter has done for the club and his love showed! The summer meeting issue and election issue were problems shared by all the officers and blaming is hardly helpful.

I look forward to Tim being president. I really wish Peter wouldn't have mentioned Tim, because he barely played a role in anything. It's not like he was stealing Peter's position. Peter was running for Vice President. And it was wrongly thought that Peter would be too busy for the club to finish up his term. If Tim had a problem leading before, the club believes that he deserves a second chance. If the club starts to fall, it is our job as officers and members of VOA to help keep it afloat! Hopefully, we keep the order that Peter created and hopefully, Peter and Amber will come and visit when all this blows over.

Side notes: I was there at the meetings, and members voiced their worry that Peter would have trouble juggling the new business and the club, and really the business takes priority. That's why Erin won. Who knew about Erin and Molly's tight friendship? I didn't, and Molly didn't promote her. By the way, I've gotten quite a few cookies from Erin, far before she ever decided to run for office. So, I doubt that there were conspiracies

The reason why Amber isn't seen in a negative way is because she wasn't in this dispute. It was Peter and Molly. Plus, Peter was the club leader, so what he does lay more heavily on him than the other officers. Even more than Molly. That comes with the job as a leader. Everyone understands that life changes and that it's great to get your own business. But with that change came pros and cons, and the President's dedication to the club was decreasing. People reacted to that in a natural way.

What wasn't great was these past few weeks, and it has changed perspectives and relationships. I pray this rip heals between the ones I've come to care for and look forward to seeing. I hope to see Peter and Amber at a future con.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:56 am 
I'm sorry that officer and member strife has hamstrung so much of this club. I enjoyed attending as a member, but am glad I got out when I did. My exit as a former webmaster was painful, but turned out to be for the best. Good luck and best wishes to you all!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:41 pm 
Now I am a little disappointed that this kind of stuff still happens here. I have already posted my well wishes and sent my well wishes thru the grapevine. I have asked once before that I this old war wound is dropped, I thought we buried the hatchet years ago Peter........, well I guess I was wrong about that. I again wish the best for the club's future. I have enough current problems I am faced with, so please stop trying to bring up a old wound and trying to grind salt it in it, I have no reason to keep up the fight. I am no longer active nor have any intention of becoming active in the club again, so please just leave me out of the fights.
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Now I am a little disappointed that this kind of stuff still happens here. I have already posted my well wishes and sent my well wishes thru the grapevine. I have asked once before that I this old war wound is dropped, I thought we buried the hatchet years ago Peter........, well I guess I was wrong about that. I again wish the best for the club's future. I have enough current problems I am faced with, so please stop trying to bring up a old wound and trying to grind salt it in it, I have no reason to keep up the fight. I am no longer active nor have any intention of becoming active in the club again, so please just leave me out of the fights.
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Phil, great to see you're alive and well. I'm so sorry to hear about your father and really do wish you and your family all the best.

What I am a bit confused about is your comment "I have asked once before that I this old war wound is dropped, I thought we buried the hatchet years ago Peter........, well I guess I was wrong about that.".

My original posts have been edited and mostly removed, but I did keep copies of them all. I just re-read them and my only comments directed towards you were facts pertaining to your time in VOA as President. I referred factual numbers pertaining to the budget, your departure and quite honestly, it was a very brief section of my post. The only direct comment I made towards you was "Phil had poor leadership and it showed."

Under the circumstances, I think it was an appropriate comment when looking at the historical facts from that time period. In the same light, Tim and I have both had poor leadership as President too. Mine really shined this last year, being too busy to effectively run the club and not doing enough to empower the other Officers. But as a leader, I learned from my mistakes, as I'm sure you did too.

I felt we did "bury the hatchet" years ago. There was a lot more happening between us outside the club which caused most of the bad feelings. We all go through growing pains and have things we regret or would have done differently if given the chance. Heck, I found your posting on VOA here by pure chance, as I don't check the boards or visit VOA meetings anymore. I'm glad to hear you're been making positive changes in your life and would love to catch up if we could over coffee or something.

Even with all the drama that happened months ago with VOA, its old news to me and I've moved on. I don't wish anything bad against the club and hope time will continue to heal. I did find out who my true friends were from this mess and was able to get the truth finally on various topics surrounding VOA members.

Hopefully others will learn from our mistakes.

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I'm sorry that officer and member strife has hamstrung so much of this club. I enjoyed attending as a member, but am glad I got out when I did. My exit as a former webmaster was painful, but turned out to be for the best. Good luck and best wishes to you all!


Wow, 2 posts from me in a single day.


I realize you're not posting your name for a reason, but I know who this is. As I stated years ago, I'm sorry about the mess surrounding your leaving the club. Sometimes making the tough choice to help move the club in a different direction is necessary and I have to pay the consequences, both good and bad.

Losing you from the club was not my goal and I still think about it today. If there was a way speed up the healing process or make it up to you, let's talk. You are a very decent person, with a good head on your shoulders. And I still google search from time to time to see if there's been any progress on a certain idea we discussed back then. Hope that's going well for you and feel free to message me anytime.

I can be reached at Peter@animefanzone.com or on our forums http://animefanzone.com/forums

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